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	<title>Comments on: Fundraisers and Program Professionals: Can&#8217;t Everyone Just Get Along?</title>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi,
Just realized I never posted a response to your question about did I ever run into a program person who didn&#039;t respond to me and how did I handle it.  Yes I did - she was a real hard case.  I eventually found ways to work around her.  Simple as that.  She never did see the value of fundraising.  To her it wasn&#039;t even a necessary evil, it was just evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi,<br />
Just realized I never posted a response to your question about did I ever run into a program person who didn&#8217;t respond to me and how did I handle it.  Yes I did &#8211; she was a real hard case.  I eventually found ways to work around her.  Simple as that.  She never did see the value of fundraising.  To her it wasn&#8217;t even a necessary evil, it was just evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi~

Great post that hits home! When I was with a large nonprofit the &quot;red tape&quot; was so thick that the development department made known what they needed and the program staff provided it, no questions asked! Then going into a medium nonprofit where the development department is actual people you know and are close to what services you provide, that tension grows.

I completely understand why they ask for the information they do. It is times when we cross HIPPA or confidentiality lines that scare me. I take a step back as a provider and draw the line of invasion. I want to sell what we do just as bad as they do since we will not be able to accomplish anything with out funding. 

However, as the stakes increase so does the tendency to &quot;sell a family/client out&quot; by either having them share too much or asking them to go beyond their comfort level. In the last year I have felt this pressure even more and stepped in on the program side of the coin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi~</p>
<p>Great post that hits home! When I was with a large nonprofit the &#8220;red tape&#8221; was so thick that the development department made known what they needed and the program staff provided it, no questions asked! Then going into a medium nonprofit where the development department is actual people you know and are close to what services you provide, that tension grows.</p>
<p>I completely understand why they ask for the information they do. It is times when we cross HIPPA or confidentiality lines that scare me. I take a step back as a provider and draw the line of invasion. I want to sell what we do just as bad as they do since we will not be able to accomplish anything with out funding. </p>
<p>However, as the stakes increase so does the tendency to &#8220;sell a family/client out&#8221; by either having them share too much or asking them to go beyond their comfort level. In the last year I have felt this pressure even more and stepped in on the program side of the coin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Cahalane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Cahalane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say for my situation, it runs the gamut from really cooperative (and therefore much more successful) to difficult. Hand holding is constantly offered and taken as insult. I think personality is the issue there - and in one way or another, it&#039;s always that, isn&#039;t it?

But when things do work cooperatively, it&#039;s so much better for everyone and everything - especially the organization!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say for my situation, it runs the gamut from really cooperative (and therefore much more successful) to difficult. Hand holding is constantly offered and taken as insult. I think personality is the issue there &#8211; and in one way or another, it&#8217;s always that, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>But when things do work cooperatively, it&#8217;s so much better for everyone and everything &#8211; especially the organization!</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Massey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi Massey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,
WOW! That sounds really frustrating! I agree. Accountability is crucial for both departments. For program folks to do their part, it might take some hand holding. It isn&#039;t always our strong suit. I know for me, having a fundraiser help me walk through the process, not only afterwards when writing things up, but beforehand, to set up the gathering of data systems, would be a huge help. Surely, it is incumbent on program staff to ask for that help. And I would guess that many fundraisers would welcome the opportunity to work together on this. Then, what is collected is what is most helpful for fundraisers and what they need for their work. That would be the best of all worlds. 

Lucky me because I work at a place that is all about team. There is no separation between fundraising and program staff. We all work together. I can&#039;t imagine anything but cooperative efforts between us. And that is coming from the top on down. Would be truly great if all nonprofits would get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,<br />
WOW! That sounds really frustrating! I agree. Accountability is crucial for both departments. For program folks to do their part, it might take some hand holding. It isn&#8217;t always our strong suit. I know for me, having a fundraiser help me walk through the process, not only afterwards when writing things up, but beforehand, to set up the gathering of data systems, would be a huge help. Surely, it is incumbent on program staff to ask for that help. And I would guess that many fundraisers would welcome the opportunity to work together on this. Then, what is collected is what is most helpful for fundraisers and what they need for their work. That would be the best of all worlds. </p>
<p>Lucky me because I work at a place that is all about team. There is no separation between fundraising and program staff. We all work together. I can&#8217;t imagine anything but cooperative efforts between us. And that is coming from the top on down. Would be truly great if all nonprofits would get that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Cahalane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Cahalane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, great post! Definitely something I can relate to.

Everyone above has offered great insights - again, so much is familiar.

I think the simplest struggle I&#039;m dealing with now comes down to accountability. At the end of the year, fundraisers - despite all the &quot;soft&quot; accomplishments they might have had - are judged on dollars. I&#039;m not seeing the same right now when it comes to some program staff - that they do what they&#039;ve always done is fine, and measurements are simply a waste of time. 

But to secure funding for their programs, we HAVE to have measurements! There&#039;s a disconnect there that can be extremely frustrating for the fundraising staff. We cannot simply make things up.

But as has already been said, when it comes down to it, that&#039;s a management issue, and when both program people and fundraisers work together, it&#039;s so powerful for both! (I do see some of that now, too, and it&#039;s very rewarding).

Thanks for a really interesting and thought-provoking piece. And thanks Pamela for bringing it to us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, great post! Definitely something I can relate to.</p>
<p>Everyone above has offered great insights &#8211; again, so much is familiar.</p>
<p>I think the simplest struggle I&#8217;m dealing with now comes down to accountability. At the end of the year, fundraisers &#8211; despite all the &#8220;soft&#8221; accomplishments they might have had &#8211; are judged on dollars. I&#8217;m not seeing the same right now when it comes to some program staff &#8211; that they do what they&#8217;ve always done is fine, and measurements are simply a waste of time. </p>
<p>But to secure funding for their programs, we HAVE to have measurements! There&#8217;s a disconnect there that can be extremely frustrating for the fundraising staff. We cannot simply make things up.</p>
<p>But as has already been said, when it comes down to it, that&#8217;s a management issue, and when both program people and fundraisers work together, it&#8217;s so powerful for both! (I do see some of that now, too, and it&#8217;s very rewarding).</p>
<p>Thanks for a really interesting and thought-provoking piece. And thanks Pamela for bringing it to us!</p>
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		<title>By: John Kuypers</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kuypers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela, I never fail to be amazed at how much tougher the conflicts are in not-for-profits.  I work with many and finally wrote a book that addresses this kind of thing in the workplace called &quot;Who&#039;s The Driver Anyway?&quot;  If we could just agree on who gets to decide, we&#039;d all get along much better! Thanks for boldly tackling the elephant in the room!  :-) John Kuypers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela, I never fail to be amazed at how much tougher the conflicts are in not-for-profits.  I work with many and finally wrote a book that addresses this kind of thing in the workplace called &#8220;Who&#8217;s The Driver Anyway?&#8221;  If we could just agree on who gets to decide, we&#8217;d all get along much better! Thanks for boldly tackling the elephant in the room!  <img src='http://www.pamelasgrantwritingblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  John Kuypers</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi,

I love your post, and it inspired me to blog about how I try to address the tension between program and fundraising staff.

I wonder if you have more recommendations to add to my list?  http://jessicajourney.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/crossingthedivide/

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi,</p>
<p>I love your post, and it inspired me to blog about how I try to address the tension between program and fundraising staff.</p>
<p>I wonder if you have more recommendations to add to my list?  <a href="http://jessicajourney.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/crossingthedivide/" rel="nofollow">http://jessicajourney.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/crossingthedivide/</a></p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Grow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Grow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Roger.  I work primarily with very small nonprofit organizations, usually with annual budgets under $1-million, and limited staffing (one solitary development/marketing person, if any!).  In my days as an employee I cannot begin to tell you how many times I was called off-task to do &quot;event-work&quot; ... for events that yielded anywhere from $3,000 to maybe $5,000.  For the smaller organization I recommend Benevon-style &quot;friend-raising&quot; events, completely spearheaded by board members with little to no staff involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Roger.  I work primarily with very small nonprofit organizations, usually with annual budgets under $1-million, and limited staffing (one solitary development/marketing person, if any!).  In my days as an employee I cannot begin to tell you how many times I was called off-task to do &#8220;event-work&#8221; &#8230; for events that yielded anywhere from $3,000 to maybe $5,000.  For the smaller organization I recommend Benevon-style &#8220;friend-raising&#8221; events, completely spearheaded by board members with little to no staff involvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Crossing the Divide &#171; Nonprofit Leadership</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crossing the Divide &#171; Nonprofit Leadership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so glad that I found Heidi Massey&#8216;s guest post on Pamela Grow&#8217;s blog.  Her perspective indicates that there are program staff who recognize [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 04:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several fundraising consultants have been telling nonprofits to avoid special events because there are more efficient ways to raise money. They are right. However, what is minimized or ignored is that in addition to raising money the special events can help the organization recruit/develop volunteers, raise awareness for the cause and the organization, identify and engage company partnerships in the community and support advocacy efforts. These are all positive things from the program professional perspective. But unless the fundraisers and program professionals start viewing their efforts from a &quot;corporate&quot; perspective, there will be unhealthy conflict and the organization will not be as effective as it could be. Thanks for the great blog topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several fundraising consultants have been telling nonprofits to avoid special events because there are more efficient ways to raise money. They are right. However, what is minimized or ignored is that in addition to raising money the special events can help the organization recruit/develop volunteers, raise awareness for the cause and the organization, identify and engage company partnerships in the community and support advocacy efforts. These are all positive things from the program professional perspective. But unless the fundraisers and program professionals start viewing their efforts from a &#8220;corporate&#8221; perspective, there will be unhealthy conflict and the organization will not be as effective as it could be. Thanks for the great blog topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Moavero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Moavero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and discussion! I also find this easier in smaller organizations, especially since program people raise funds or get constant updates on fundraising -- even informally. 

I&#039;ve worked for membership/grassroots based organizations with a heavy emphasis on  organizing, where the funding and mission links are clear. I wish more nonprofits saw their work through this prism -- that we&#039;re building social change movements. These orgs know that a big foundation check is great, but that 5,000 more members is even better.

I like to ask staff for their most exciting experience, biggest success, or their most interesting or surprising conversation in the past month, etc. They will reveal things that they didn&#039;t realize were significant to fundraisers.

And managers need to integrate measuring output and outcomes into project planning and program staff reports/meetings for them to be a part of the organization&#039;s culture. If it&#039;s left to development staff to beg for data, it&#039;ll never happen.

I love many of the ideas listed above. I&#039;ll add that program staff need to be trained out of their distaste for fundraising by letting development staff share their feedback from donors, which is often exciting enthusiasm for the program work. It also includes reminding that fundraising isn&#039;t just asking for money, it&#039;s giving more people the chance to be involved in the organization and to advocate for the mission. And if they think about how they feel as donors to other orgs, they will &quot;get it&quot; better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and discussion! I also find this easier in smaller organizations, especially since program people raise funds or get constant updates on fundraising &#8212; even informally. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked for membership/grassroots based organizations with a heavy emphasis on  organizing, where the funding and mission links are clear. I wish more nonprofits saw their work through this prism &#8212; that we&#8217;re building social change movements. These orgs know that a big foundation check is great, but that 5,000 more members is even better.</p>
<p>I like to ask staff for their most exciting experience, biggest success, or their most interesting or surprising conversation in the past month, etc. They will reveal things that they didn&#8217;t realize were significant to fundraisers.</p>
<p>And managers need to integrate measuring output and outcomes into project planning and program staff reports/meetings for them to be a part of the organization&#8217;s culture. If it&#8217;s left to development staff to beg for data, it&#8217;ll never happen.</p>
<p>I love many of the ideas listed above. I&#8217;ll add that program staff need to be trained out of their distaste for fundraising by letting development staff share their feedback from donors, which is often exciting enthusiasm for the program work. It also includes reminding that fundraising isn&#8217;t just asking for money, it&#8217;s giving more people the chance to be involved in the organization and to advocate for the mission. And if they think about how they feel as donors to other orgs, they will &#8220;get it&#8221; better.</p>
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		<title>By: Wild Woman Fundraising Why are fundraisers hated? &#8211; Wild Woman Fundraising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wild Woman Fundraising Why are fundraisers hated? &#8211; Wild Woman Fundraising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 11:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was a discussion recently on Pamela Grow&#8217;s Grantwriting blog about how program people and foundation staff don&#8217;t like to talk to fundraisers. Heidi [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ruth McLean Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth McLean Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emphasize that I am a translator - putting programs into fundable language. I also try to spend time in the field whenever possible (is that because it means I am in a boat on the Caribbean Sea or on a trail on one of the many rivers of southern Belize or because I am learning first hand?) 

I also communicate and celebrate our work and the staff and make sure that staff are aware of where their actions and/or words are right in the proposal or release. 

It is always a balancing act, but it is part of my job to make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emphasize that I am a translator &#8211; putting programs into fundable language. I also try to spend time in the field whenever possible (is that because it means I am in a boat on the Caribbean Sea or on a trail on one of the many rivers of southern Belize or because I am learning first hand?) </p>
<p>I also communicate and celebrate our work and the staff and make sure that staff are aware of where their actions and/or words are right in the proposal or release. </p>
<p>It is always a balancing act, but it is part of my job to make it work.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 15:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with Suzy, I believe that there is an additional element to this issue that needs to be explored and that is management. So many times I have been &quot;set-up&quot; by a management to retrieve information for a funding opportunity that appears to be a match to a program through the managers eyes. I meet with the coordinator of the program and find out that program is not actually what the funder is looking for. In these cases, the program person is forced to &quot;tweak&quot; the program to fit the funding requirements.  This of course brings about undue stress to the both parties involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with Suzy, I believe that there is an additional element to this issue that needs to be explored and that is management. So many times I have been &#8220;set-up&#8221; by a management to retrieve information for a funding opportunity that appears to be a match to a program through the managers eyes. I meet with the coordinator of the program and find out that program is not actually what the funder is looking for. In these cases, the program person is forced to &#8220;tweak&#8221; the program to fit the funding requirements.  This of course brings about undue stress to the both parties involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Marie Ventura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Marie Ventura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 15:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to add one other thing to my post.  I do spend time with clients and program people to get to know what I am &quot;selling&quot;.  But there is no way I will ever be able to talk about my program in the same way as the program staff.  So whenever possible, I bring them along to meetings with donors.  And I often send program staff to meetings RATHER than me.  I see myself as a matchmaker.  It&#039;s my job to get in the room the people who are most passionate and knowledgable about the subject - and that is the person doing the work that the donor wants to fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add one other thing to my post.  I do spend time with clients and program people to get to know what I am &#8220;selling&#8221;.  But there is no way I will ever be able to talk about my program in the same way as the program staff.  So whenever possible, I bring them along to meetings with donors.  And I often send program staff to meetings RATHER than me.  I see myself as a matchmaker.  It&#8217;s my job to get in the room the people who are most passionate and knowledgable about the subject &#8211; and that is the person doing the work that the donor wants to fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Marie Ventura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Marie Ventura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 15:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting conversation.  I have so many things I want to add, but not enough time so I&#039;ll address only one part of this.  I have been both a program person and now a fundraiser.  And a big part of the problem, in my opinion, is that program people are quite dismissive of fundraisers and actively challenge why money is being &quot;wasted&quot; on fundraisers instead of being focused on the mission.  It&#039;s quite difficult to have a positive working relationship with people who think your job should be eliminated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting conversation.  I have so many things I want to add, but not enough time so I&#8217;ll address only one part of this.  I have been both a program person and now a fundraiser.  And a big part of the problem, in my opinion, is that program people are quite dismissive of fundraisers and actively challenge why money is being &#8220;wasted&#8221; on fundraisers instead of being focused on the mission.  It&#8217;s quite difficult to have a positive working relationship with people who think your job should be eliminated!</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria T. Hurwitz, CFRE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria T. Hurwitz, CFRE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 14:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important issue and one I try to keep top-of-mind in my world. My world is I am the only development professional in a large, regional non-profit organization with four program lines in three states. Obviously, since there is only one of me, I rely on the program people to help me in my fundraising efforts. I consider all of them my clients and I get to know them, their programs and understand their needs. Then, I ask them to help me hammer out details for grant applications, be aware of resources in their communities to tap and help build relationships with people who may be inspired by the good work that we do. Understanding the programs and the players and the needs is integral for my work as the fundraiser in this organization and collaboration with all involved is critical...and of course, POSITIVE ENERGY all for the good of the entire organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important issue and one I try to keep top-of-mind in my world. My world is I am the only development professional in a large, regional non-profit organization with four program lines in three states. Obviously, since there is only one of me, I rely on the program people to help me in my fundraising efforts. I consider all of them my clients and I get to know them, their programs and understand their needs. Then, I ask them to help me hammer out details for grant applications, be aware of resources in their communities to tap and help build relationships with people who may be inspired by the good work that we do. Understanding the programs and the players and the needs is integral for my work as the fundraiser in this organization and collaboration with all involved is critical&#8230;and of course, POSITIVE ENERGY all for the good of the entire organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked on the program side and experienced a tough relationship with the fundraising team. I&#039;m transitioning into fundraising and this issue is very much on my mind.

I think one concrete tip is to cultivate young program staff into great partners. Give them a first hand view of your role, instead of letting them see nonprofit only through program colored glasses.

Young staffers are always eager for prof. development, so teach them the basics of fundraising! Give a brown bag seminar, share what you know. They&#039;re sure to encounter fundraising often in their nonprofit careers. Explain the big picture, the development plan, the tools you use to successfully cultivate and manage donors. 

Also, show them your day to day work. A huge turning point for me was when I was recruited to help with the board dinners (just managing name tags, even) and saw the development staff in action. You learn to appreciate the skills of fundraisers when you see them &quot;at work&quot; and you realize that they really are working at an event. When they would explain what was really going on during the board dinner, I appreciated their expertise all the more. 

I think looking at young program staff is at least one good place to start. It would have helped me if I had learned more about the secret world of fundraising earlier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked on the program side and experienced a tough relationship with the fundraising team. I&#8217;m transitioning into fundraising and this issue is very much on my mind.</p>
<p>I think one concrete tip is to cultivate young program staff into great partners. Give them a first hand view of your role, instead of letting them see nonprofit only through program colored glasses.</p>
<p>Young staffers are always eager for prof. development, so teach them the basics of fundraising! Give a brown bag seminar, share what you know. They&#8217;re sure to encounter fundraising often in their nonprofit careers. Explain the big picture, the development plan, the tools you use to successfully cultivate and manage donors. </p>
<p>Also, show them your day to day work. A huge turning point for me was when I was recruited to help with the board dinners (just managing name tags, even) and saw the development staff in action. You learn to appreciate the skills of fundraisers when you see them &#8220;at work&#8221; and you realize that they really are working at an event. When they would explain what was really going on during the board dinner, I appreciated their expertise all the more. </p>
<p>I think looking at young program staff is at least one good place to start. It would have helped me if I had learned more about the secret world of fundraising earlier!</p>
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		<title>By: Indian River Community Calendar, updated May 18 &#124; dress up bolg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indian River Community Calendar, updated May 18 &#124; dress up bolg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kirsten Bullock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsten Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this great post Heidi!

The truth is, neither programs nor fundraising can be successful without the other (we need money to operate programs, but we need strong programs to warrant funding). I think one of the root causes of these tensions is how organizations are structured (those silos always seem to show up). 

Perhaps as a fundraising professional I&#039;ve been more successful at overcoming these barriers because of my social work background. It is true that the primary responsibility for creating a team atmosphere lies with the ED and board leadership, however here are two things I have done (as a staff member in two separate organizations) that have seemed to help build bridges and create a more collaborative environment:

First, I agree with Sandra and Laura that if we as fundraisers are focused on the mission of the organization, we can be better partners with program staff. Part of this is taking the time to learn about the programs we&#039;re trying to raise funds for (and asking questions to better understand what is being tracked already so that we can use those outcomes in materials being developed for fundraising).

In addition to learning about the program, we need to listen to concerns of program staff. There has been more than one instance where I followed in the steps of a fundraiser who was only focused on the money. This really alienated program staff. That bad taste doesn&#039;t go away overnight. If we are truly passionate about the mission of the organization, then we can be seen more as partners in the cause rather than an annoyance. Hopefully through this process a mutual respect can be developed (and if we go into this process feeling superior we will most likely fail).

In both instances, once these bridges were built, I was able to start a staff giving campaign. Now as donors, program staff became not just staff members, but investors - in their own program (because of course they were already invested in that) and also in the fundraising process. 

It was exciting to be part of that transformation. And perhaps my experience will be helpful for someone else!

Thanks again for this post and getting a conversation started!
Kirsten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great post Heidi!</p>
<p>The truth is, neither programs nor fundraising can be successful without the other (we need money to operate programs, but we need strong programs to warrant funding). I think one of the root causes of these tensions is how organizations are structured (those silos always seem to show up). </p>
<p>Perhaps as a fundraising professional I&#8217;ve been more successful at overcoming these barriers because of my social work background. It is true that the primary responsibility for creating a team atmosphere lies with the ED and board leadership, however here are two things I have done (as a staff member in two separate organizations) that have seemed to help build bridges and create a more collaborative environment:</p>
<p>First, I agree with Sandra and Laura that if we as fundraisers are focused on the mission of the organization, we can be better partners with program staff. Part of this is taking the time to learn about the programs we&#8217;re trying to raise funds for (and asking questions to better understand what is being tracked already so that we can use those outcomes in materials being developed for fundraising).</p>
<p>In addition to learning about the program, we need to listen to concerns of program staff. There has been more than one instance where I followed in the steps of a fundraiser who was only focused on the money. This really alienated program staff. That bad taste doesn&#8217;t go away overnight. If we are truly passionate about the mission of the organization, then we can be seen more as partners in the cause rather than an annoyance. Hopefully through this process a mutual respect can be developed (and if we go into this process feeling superior we will most likely fail).</p>
<p>In both instances, once these bridges were built, I was able to start a staff giving campaign. Now as donors, program staff became not just staff members, but investors &#8211; in their own program (because of course they were already invested in that) and also in the fundraising process. </p>
<p>It was exciting to be part of that transformation. And perhaps my experience will be helpful for someone else!</p>
<p>Thanks again for this post and getting a conversation started!<br />
Kirsten</p>
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